DNA Black Friday Sales

The DNA Black Friday Sales are now in full swing.
Should you take advantage of any of the sales? Which DNA test should you take?
Decisions about accepting AncestryDNA’s offer should be made before midnight (AEDT) Monday 27 November 2017. That’s not very far away. Click this link for more information:
AncestryDNA’s Sale
My Heritage offers the same test as AncestryDNA and their sale also finishes this coming Monday, 27 November. Click the following link for more details:
My Heritage’s Sale
Don’t worry if you miss AncestryDNA and My Heritage’s tight timeline. FamilyTreeDNA offers the same test (which they call Family Finder).
FamilyTreeDNA’s sale ends 31 December 2017. You may also find it convenient to package a Family Finder test with the Y DNA and mtDNA tests offered by FamilyTreeDNA. Click the following link for more information:
FamilyTreeDNA’s Sale
Here a few hints and some general information that may help you make your decision.
If you haven’t taken a DNA test before and are merely curious then purchase a test for the biggest database – AncestryDNA. It seems logical that the larger the database the more likely you are to get results. You can download your AncestryDNA test to other testing companies further increasing your chances of getting DNA matches. The reverse doesn’t apply. You cannot upload a test from another company to AncestryDNA.
If you are interested in your ethnicity then estimates of your ethnicity are included in tests provided by AncestryDNA, FamilyTreeDNA (in their Family Finder test) and My Heritage. The comments below about National Geographic and Living DNA may also apply here.
If you have a brick wall on your father’s direct line consider starting with a Y-67 test from FamilyTreeDNA. If you are REALLY, REALLY serious about researching your father’s line then Family Tree have packaged their Y DNA and their Big Y together for this sale. Read more about this offer here:
Why the Big Y test
Join a project first
This Y DNA and Big Y offer comes with risks. The first of which is understanding the best way to take advantage of the offer! Sometimes, and Y DNA is one of those times, it is better to do things in baby steps.
And this is one package you need to convert the offer to Australian dollars to see what the upfront cost is. Doing the same thing over a few years is less painful to the hip pocket (though still painful let me assure you).
If you have a brick wall along your direct maternal line then look at FamilyTreeDNA’s mtFull Sequence. However, I’ve yet to see anyone with a good match with mtDNA. This is because the mutation rate is so very slow. All I’m saying is don’t get your hopes up with mtDNA tests.
If you are REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY curious about paleo anthropology or your ancient origins consider testing with National Geographic and with Living DNA.
However, National Geographic’s sale only applies to US kits. Click the following link for more information:
Geno 2
Living DNA are the new kid on the block and they ARE publishing a discounted price. Click here for more information:
Living DNA
Both Geno 2 and Living DNA offer more information than is given with FamilyTreeDNA’s Y DNA and mitochondrial DNA tests but nevertheless are still expensive when compared to some of the other tests. So, ladies find a brother to take these tests for you.

Having decided which test or tests you wish to purchase there are some other things worth considering.

Tests purchased now can be used later. If you are going to a big family reunion in 2018 or 2019 consider purchasing some tests now for on the spot testing at the reunion. 
Include freight in your calculations.
FamilyTreeDNA and National Geographic quote in $US. The current exchange rate is about $US 1.00 to $AUD 1.30.

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DNA for family historians


We have been over whelmed by the interest shown in attending our seminar “DNA for family historians” on Remembrance Day this coming 11th of November.
We have delayed holding this seminar until just before the expected sales by DNA testing companies later next month. So that no one misses the opportunity to attend we are moving it to the Community Hub at The Dock, 912 Collins Street, Docklands. The times will be the same with Registration from 9.00 am, the first session starting at 9.30 am and with an expected 12 noon finish.
To book and for more information go to Events (under the Activities tab on our website).
Please take careful note of the directions to the Community Hub at The Dock and don’t confuse it with a similarly named venue.
We look forward to seeing you there.

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Ethnicity and DNA-testing

This week Patsy Daly from the GSV’s DNA Discussion Group cautions us about the meaning of ethnicity as presently estimated by DNA-testing companies.

GSV is holding a Seminar on DNA for Family Historians on Saturday 11 November at which Patsy will present more information about the DNA-testing available, as well as case studies. You can book for this at https://gsv.org.au/activities/civi-events.html?task=civicrm/event/info&reset=1&id=684.


Your ethnicity?

The major DNA testing companies, AncestryDNA, FamilyTreeDNA and My Heritage, each offer an estimate of ethnicity in the DNA results they give to family historians.

Most of us measure this ethnicity estimate against the expectations we have, arising from our knowledge of our family trees.

But this is actually quite inappropriate, as an ethnicity ‘estimate’ is just that – an approximation or an educated guess. No company is able to calculate our ethnicity by following all our family lines back to a certain point in ancient times. More’s the pity!

Our ethnicity estimate is based on our ancient origins – thousands of years before political boundaries were set. Consequently, a map of our ethnicity may cross current political boundaries. Indeed, even our ethnicity categories may overlap those boundaries.

Nor is there a link from the estimate of our ethnicity back to the family tree that is founded on family stories and written records of very recent times. In fact, our ethnicity is estimated by comparing our own DNA sample against a reference panel of DNA samples. As each testing company gains more experience and has access to a greater number of DNA results, our ethnicity estimates will be refined and changed. Don’t expect your ethnicity estimate to be set in concrete.

Because each of the three major testing companies may use difference reference panels and use different procedures our ethnicity estimate may vary from testing company to testing company. In addition, testing companies may not yet have enough samples in their current reference panel to identify some non-European ethnic groups. For example, at present those with Australian indigenous ethnicity may only be identified at a higher level – as Micronesians.

An estimate of our ethnicity depends upon the DNA we received from our parents, but while our ethnicity estimate may be like that of our siblings, only in the case of identical twins is it precisely the same.

Overall, it is probable that our ethnicity estimate is only accurate at the continental level, so while it is interesting to see how nearly an ethnicity estimate matches our expectations it is, at this stage, probably more worthwhile to compare our ethnicity estimate with those of our DNA matches. It is in this comparison that we might find the answers to questions of relationships.


AncestryDNA https://www.ancestry.com.au/dna/

My Heritage https://www.myheritage.com/dna

Family Tree DNA https://www.familytreedna.com/

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Are you chasing DNA?

Those who are chasing DNA and exploring genetic inheritances might be interested in the latest blog entry by renowned Irish genealogist, John Grenham. John’s unique style, great curiosity and fascinating insights always make for interesting reading, whether or not your heritage is Irish. This blog is no exception.


REMEMBER to check out the GSV’s DNA Discussion Circle – for Members. See the website here http://gsv.org.au/activities/groups/dna-discussion-circle.html

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